I hope I don't get any negative flack for writing this. I support both Clinton and Obama, and no matter who gets the nomination I will support and vote for him or her. Either candidate will be better than McCain, and either will be infinitely and unarguably better than Bush. It's just that, in the name of procrastination, I started reading a bunch of articles and found some interesting things that I think people should be aware of.
Obama claims superdelegates should lend him their votes because he has won more states and has more pledged delegates than Hillary. I agree on the second point, it's kind of undeniable that he has managed to amass more delegates, which, ultimately, is what the nomination comes down to. However, I found it interesting that Obama claims he should win based on the number of states he has been victorious in. It seemed to me that Clinton won the bigger, more important, states, but I wasn't sure so I explored further.
I wrote down all the states, as of today, that Obama has won, and I wrote down all the states that Clinton has won. Obama did indeed have almost twice as many, 27, to Clinton's 16. But which states are the important ones? I grouped them by size: Clinton won most of the larger ones, Obama most of the smaller ones. In order to quantify the relative importance / size of the states, I wrote down the number of electoral votes each candidate would receive from winning each state in the upcoming election. I know electoral votes have no bearing on the primaries, but whoever the eventual victor is, (s)he will have to compete in the actual election when electoral votes are notoriously important. It's definitely fair to consider them in a race this close. Anyways:
Clinton 263, Obama 202
(I counted Texas as a win for Clinton even though Obama won the caucuses. The primary is definitely more representative of the state as a whole...)
So then the thought occurred to me that no matter the number of electoral votes a candidate amassed, that some of these wins, in the actual election, would never even happen. Some states are red states, some are blue states, and some are swing states. It's likely that no matter who the candidate is, the blue states will go to the Democrats and the red states will go to the GOP. So I looked at swing states.
Clinton 95, Obama 60
Clinton appears to be more capable of winning the all-too-important swing states. Ohio and Florida, arguably the two states that gave Bush the white house in the last elections, Clinton won. (Both Obama and Clinton's names were on the ballot in Florida, neither campaigned there... it seems like a fair contest). Should not superdelegates, in a race so, so close, look at which candidate can better deliver these crucial swing states in the general election?
I also looked at the number of red states each candidate has won.
Obama 76, Clinton 51
A large portion of Obama's delegates thus come from states he (nor Clinton) would never be able to win in the general election. Less of Clinton's wins come from these GOP dominated red states.
In order to try and encompass all aspects of this analysis, I took the electoral votes from all the contests thus far, and added up all the blue state votes to give them to each candidate. In the general election, both will be able to win these votes. I then added the swing state votes each candidate received to that candidate's total. Finally, I subtracted the red state votes each candidate received from that candidate's total.
In finality: Clinton 227, Obama 167
If the general election were occurring right now, it seems Clinton would have the upper hand based on this information.
I know superdelegates are supposed to take a lot of factors into account when they make their choices, but I think one of the most important factors is electability. It seems as if Clinton is better prepared to deliver the important swing states and that a greater percentage of Obama's votes thus far have come from red states that he would never win in the general election. Should not the superdelegates support Clinton based on these factors?
Should not superdelegates support Clinton based on the disenfranchised voters in Michigan and Florida (granted Obama wasn't on the ballot in Michigan)?
A recent poll in Mississippi, the place of today's primary, suggested that Obama backers are more inclined to support Clinton backers than vice versa. 42% of voters who chose Obama said they would not mind if Clinton was the nominee, whereas only 10% of Clinton backers said the same for Obama. Moreover, 6 in 10 said that Obama should choose Clinton for his running mate if he wins, whereas only 4 in 10 said Clinton should choose Obama.
If Clinton can better deliver crucial states, and Obama backers are happy to support her, then should not superdelegates deliver the nomination to her?
Obama still has more delegates than Clinton does, however a large portion of these delegates come from caucus votes. Caucus attendants aren't representative of the voting populace as a whole, generally only strong supporters of a candidate take the time to attend a caucus. If one thing in this election is certain, Obama's supporters are clearly more vocal and active than Clinton supporters. I have never in my life seen such excitement for a candidate. It's a great thing for politics. However, should these fewer, more fervent supporters be given greater weight than the quieter, equally numerous (perhaps more so), supporters of Clinton?
As I said before, I support both candidates. The whole change vs. experience debate has no effect on me. Both candidates are qualified for the job, perhaps Clinton a little more, however I'm sure Obama would do just fine. Both would be able to effect change, perhaps Obama a little more, but again, it will be difficult even for him to unify a country so split on partisan lines. Rhetoric can only go so far, both candidates will find it difficult to make sweeping changes in Washington next January.
After looking at the statistics and trends, it seems as if Clinton may be the smarter choice for superdelegates. People say she's not as electable, but the facts beg to differ with that assumption. With a race so close, it's obvious that superdelegates will play a large role in the nominating process. Some say that they should bank on the side of the candidate with the most delegates after the primaries, but if the difference in delegates is less than 5%, shouldn't the superdelegates (the supposedly knowledgeable party insiders) be able to consider factors that the general voting public may have overlooked?
Thanks for reading! If you disagree with me that's fine, but note that I tried to present everything as objectively as possible.
Cole Murphy-Hockett
Saturday, April 5, 2008
"If Superdelegates Were Smart They Would Choose Clinton"
So Cole Murphy-Hockett, part of the class of '07, wrote this blog about a month ago, and for those of you who didn't read it, I thought it was a very intelligent, well-thought out analysis of the primaries as of early/mid march, and is definitely worth a read. (I know its not my turn for blogging this week, but I thought its worth the effort to post)
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The flaw in the reasoning is that the voters in the democratic primaries are not necessarily representative of the voters of the states. From the polls I have seen, in a head to head matchup vs McCain Obama has a slight edge, whereas Hillary is actually an underdog to McCain. Based on these polls, I would think superdelegates should go to Obama if they want the Democrats to win.
Cole --
I won't accuse you of reverse engineering your preferred outcome, but I expect better analysis from someone of your caliber. In addition to Justin's point, consider that the swing states are not necessarily the same states that were close in 00 or 04. For example, Virginia and Colorado are formerly red States that Obama could win but Hillary probably can't. Also, there are some repeat swing States that Obama is much stronger in than Hillary (MN, WI, IA). It is inconceivable that Obama would lose New York (and equally implausible that Hillary would lose Illinois). There is a case to be made that Hillary is more electable in a general election, but that requires one to believe that a significant # of bitter Hillary supports will actually end up voting for McCain. Despite McCain's historical appeal to independents, this is unlikely, as springtime disaffection has been shown to wear off. The only times the Democratic party has suffered in the general election is when the convention itself wasn't a unifying force, like 1980 or 1928. And the only way that can happen is if Hillary Clinton tries to play hardball at the convention with the MI and FL primaries that voters were told weren't going to count. Put another way, unless Hillary takes Obama down with her, or unless Hillary supporters are fatally racist, Obama should get most of her current supporters and be fine in the general.
There are plenty more problems with the Clinton spin , for example, complaining about disenfranchising voters while simultaneously lobbying superdelegates to overturn the pledged delegate result, or, by simultaneously arguing that caucuses are less valid and that Clinton would have earned more delegates in a primary while also trying to use popular vote tallies as a metric of victory, which reduces the proportional influence some States are entitled to compared to others, punishing those States for having chosen a caucus and not a primary. (Had those States had a primary, Obama would have won a smaller % of the vote and thus less delegates but also more total absolute votes.) She -- or more accurately, the now-deposed Mark Penn -- has claimed that Obama's wins in supposedly deep red States are irrelevant in the general election, thus we should discount those results (in ID, MS, etc.) while also claiming that Clinton's success in deep blue states is meaningful. If Clinton is objectively more electable, why has the vast majority of superdelegates that have announced in recent months gone to Obama? They don't owe him any favors. They want the Dems to win in November. Why are they breaking his way? I could go on, but I shouldn't have to. The race has been close, but Clinton can't win the nomination unless a series of improbable and arguably unfair (seating the MI delegation??) things come to pass. If the PA result doesn't functionally end the nomination race, it looks like North Carolina will, at which point we'll see if Hillary Clinton is playing hard or being delusional and destructive.
PS the competition has been good for Obama... but there are diminishing if not negative marginal returns.
Holy crap I'm bored in class so I was googling myself and I found this! Whoa.
Hmmm... I wasn't exactly reverse engineering my preferred outcome. I definitely want Obama to receive the nomination, but I wrote this one night when I was pissed off at everyone on campus who was overly zealous / Messiahistic about the Obama campaign and didn't consider the arguable assertion that Clinton could actually be the better nominee in many aspects.
I haven't kept up with the campaigns in the last few weeks as well as I did when I wrote this (and I wrote it at a point when everything was still neck and neck), so I probably can't respond well to your comments... but yeah, I feel like it matters less now since everything is tilting strongly towards Obama.
Back to class.
P.S. What exactly is the purpose of this site?
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